Bike lane protection south of MillSt on Cherry StT

@RF RF What about cars that need to stop there, and people who need cars to stop there? This isn't about parking, it's about a few minutes.

@Ross Winter As discussed elsewhere in this thread, there are ample places to stop for just a few minutes very close by, including free spots, paid spots, and accessible spots. No person has a right to stop directly in front of their origin or destination, and especially not at the expense of endangering others. Car-brain is thinking you're entitled to drive within 6 inches of the front door of where you're going.

@Ryan Visima Bike-brain is thinking you are entitled to unimpeded movement irrespective of the needs of others.

@Ross Winter The need for safety outweighs the need for someone to have their $9 latte delivered by a DoorDash driver.

@Ross Winter the bike lanes south of Lakeshore on Cherry are bi-directional. There is a crossing at lakeshore.

@Eric Gies Saw it, but southbound only.

@Ryan Visima There are people coming and going to the theatres in the evening and weekends. Anyone with a cane or walker can hardly be expected to alight in the traffic. I see no reason why a bike lane should guarantee a cyclist unimpeded passage any more than a vehicular lane guarantees its diver the same.

@Ross Winter It's a good thing the city thought of that then and made ample accommodations for places that cars can stop in this neighbourhood. Just south of the 390 Cherry entrance is a laneway and an underground Green P parking lot. North of Mill on Cherry are multiple Green P street parking spaces. On Mill St west of Cherry there is an accessible loading zone specifically for the people you cite, as well as a 10-minute temporary parking area. There is also an accessible loading zone on Trinity, public underground parking west of the Distillery gates at 45 Mill, and another general loading zone west of that at 33 Mill St. If someone is so disabled that they truly cannot manage any of the distances above, then they can use WheelTrans, which is one of the few exceptions for who is allowed to stop in the bike lane. An accessible permit in a regular vehicle does not and should not permit this. Lastly, this is not about "unimpeded passage" for cyclists. You've missed the point entirely. This is about SAFETY for vulnerable road users. Cyclists do not have the protection of being surrounded by a plush, climate controlled living room on wheels. Any time a cyclist has to mix with vehicle traffic, it introduces extreme danger to their lives. Cyclists need separation from the drivers who kill them.

@Ryan Visima Yes Yes Yes!! Great response and insight.

@Ryan Visima Well, at risk of being argumentative, pedestrians need protection from cyclists. I was boarding a WheelTrans vehicle a few years back, the ramp was out across the bike path, and the driver is telling me to hurry up, a cyclist is coming. With a knee replacement and the same hip having been replaced twice, the first replacement having been broken in a fall, I an extremely aware of threats to my person from vehicles of all kinds. And for me, bicycles are more threatening than cars.

@Shalan Crivellari , I would really appreciate your help getting more votes for this proposal.

@Howard Williams I would be happy to help. Have you posted on the neighbourhood facebook group yet? If not I can share the link there.

@Shalan Crivellari , I haven't posted it there. Thanks for offering to post it!!

@Ross Winter They are supposed to use the dedicated entrances/exits to the district which are clearly labelled, they are just around the corner, and they are easily accessible with a set of traffic lights for added safety. Easy. Your post doesn't really help to move the conversation forward.

@Ross Winter , if you've ever been to The Distillery, you would know that there are publicly accessible driveways and parking areas in the immediate area where safer pickup and drop off is possible

@Howard Williams I am within walking distance of the Distillery District and go there frequently. Do taxis, Uber drivers, the general public, know where to find these drop-offs? Not necessarily.

@Ross Winter I agree with you position. The area needs better signage to ensure people are going to designated pick up and drop off areas and loading zones instead. Maybe ever better enforcement to help people find the designated pick up and drop off areas as well as parking. The goal is to keep everyone moving as safely and efficiently as possible.